Tuesday, July 13, 2021

Conformation Lessons From a Saddle Fitter

So obviously with all the saddle fit problems, I've been in contact with Jen. We've been going back and forth and I'm seriously considering using the saddle company she's using. I'm not quiiiite there yet but it's looking that way. 

One thing she did was put me in contact with her saddle fitter friend Mary who helped her so much! I also highly recommend Mary because WOW she is so good. I sent her just one picture of TC standing almost square but not really in the cross ties and she told me all these things about his conformation and made some guesses about his saddle fit issues that were spot on.

The photo I sent, he was so bored of my antics lol

First, she said that he has huge shoulders, which is not news, but what WAS news was that he has big withers. I did not know this. I guess they're just hidden by his big shoulders. 

I mean, it makes sense, mostly. He's not a rotund guy, I know he looks like he should be really chonky just naturally with a well sprung ribcage but he's really not all that wide. Rico was like twice as wide as TC is. TC honestly feels pretty narrow for a horse of his stature. 

His withers aren't so prominent that he's hard to ride bareback but I definitely don't love riding him without a bareback pad. Plus his back is relatively well muscled at this point (and honestly always has been pretty decent) so maybe that contributes to the illusion. 

There was a baby cow born recently! So cute!

I told her the saddle shifted forward on him and she asked if it was forward toward his nose or forward into his shoulder and I said absolutely the latter. 

She then gave me recommendations! They're similar to what Connor needed and they have the same issues with how they go in saddles they don't like (don't keep the chest plate up, don't lift the withers as well) so it all makes sense. 

- Short and ideally flexible tree points. 
Like Jen has said several times, Mary thinks that dressage saddles are made for riders and not horses, the shorter and more flexible the tree points, the more shoulder freedom. Most dressage saddles have long inflexible tree points that get in the way of the shoulder. 

- No point billet 
The point billet is attached to the point and therefore drives the front of the saddle down into the horse's shoulder, not good for shoulder freedom! Ideally I could have a saddle with billets that were set fairly far back. 

- High wither clearance 
TC has high withers and therefore needs some good wither clearance! Again, not knowing this about him means that I never really looked specifically for that. That also explains why he loved the butterfly saddle because it had a cutback pommel. I'm sure he feels a little claustrophobic lifting his withers into a shallow pommel. 

- Short gussets 
The gusset (I had to ask) is the length of the padding down the front of the saddle. Dressage saddles tend to have long ones and they sit behind the shoulder and prevent it from being used properly.

- Ideally a velcro block
That may be tough for me to find (because I love an exposed block monoflap) but she said that a fixed block can get in the way of a shoulder too. Especially if it's tightened down with a point billet on a long gusset. 

This guy was so hilarious, I gave him
a lot of cookies and will get him out
today!

So that's what we are looking for! I wrote all that down and am going to start ruling out saddles. I did happen to notice one thing though... I sent Mary pictures of my current saddle and she agreed that it is LITERALLY the opposite of what he needs: 

Look how freakishly long those
gussets are omg

That's a point billet, yep


Sooooo that sucks, I love this saddle but I definitely don't think I will be putting it on him again. I have half a mind to take it to a saddler and see if we can put a new billet in the back and redo the panels but that seems like a LOT of effort, especially given that I can't fix the lack of wither clearance and the tree points. It's time for that saddle to retire. 

Maybe it'll somehow work on my new horse and it's the saddle I got my Gold medal in so I'm keeping it forever. Maybe it can be made into an office chair  or a stool for me?? Hahaha anything to still be able to sit in it. I love that saddle but can very much acknowledge that it was made for the rider, not for the horse. 

8 comments:

  1. Me, you and Mary just need to start our own saddle company. And I'm only 60% kidding...lol. It does feel like Dressage saddle design hasn't modernized as quickly as jump saddle design has. Like we're all still riding saddles designed for 1970s slab-sided TBs while the H/J world has moved on.

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    1. I’m totally down, it’s so necessary! It’s crazy to me. I’ve been creeping on saddler websites and even those that claim to promote shoulder freedom have pictures of horses being ridden with their chest plate pressed down and the thoracic sling not engaged. Obviously it could be the riding but I can ride TC pretty badly in my bareback pad and he keeps his chest up but I can ride him really well in my saddle and he just physically can’t keep his withers up!

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    2. Jen, yes please! Would you and Mary be willing to give some input on conformation/saddle fit? If so, how would I go about contacting you and Mary? I'd like to chat with someone knowledgeable about saddle fitting that doesn't have a bias against French foam!

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  2. That's awesome! I hope you find your unicorn saddle soon! How does one get in contact with Jen or Mary? I'd love to get an opinion from someone knowledgeable about foam flocked saddles.

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    1. Jen is the comment above you and that links to her blog! She’s got a ton of saddle fitting posts and actually found one recently, yay

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  3. The Patrick saddles are beautiful, but have you looked at Black Country saddles? They might be another option. I ended up with a Black Country Vinici X for my Lusitano who had similar fitting issues to TC. He had huge shoulders and what I would call broad withers (versus tall). He loved the hoop tree and short gussets. The billets look weird, but I did not notice them at all while riding, and they are placed so as not to pull the saddle down on the shoulders. Just a suggestion! Finding the right saddle is a hell only eclipsed by finding the right horse:P

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  4. What do you think of Wow saddles? they appear to be pretty customizable.

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